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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/9/2023 5:51 PM
yeah i also think that for you it’s better to wait
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 7/9/2023 5:51 PM
it might come naturally once you can have long conversations
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the alt account in question 7/9/2023 5:53 PM
she seems to get tired easily right now if i make her think or talk too much. it makes both of us tired. i cant even passive force if i dont have enough energy. we are a little bit pathetic
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 7/9/2023 5:53 PM
i think us talking out loud to each other was the thing that made things go super fast, it feels a lot more concrete than talking in your head, and i think that reinforces the separation well
5:53 PM
thats normal
5:54 PM
we were super tired too at start
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the alt account in question 7/9/2023 5:54 PM
she cant possess my voice so id have to speak for her and for me i think thatd make me feel more like im making it up. unless you mean i talk aloud and she responds mentally?
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 7/9/2023 5:54 PM
just blurt out whatever thought comes out, and the tulpa's thoughts start coming out too
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the alt account in question
she seems to get tired easily right now if i make her think or talk too much. it makes both of us tired. i cant even passive force if i dont have enough energy. we are a little bit pathetic
Luminesce: Oh wow, definitely don't switch yet then. My tulpas never had that problem just talking, but switching made them tired at first (enough for the body to fall asleep), though they could go longer and longer at a time with practice until 1-2 months when they could then stay switched indefinitely (edited)
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 7/9/2023 5:55 PM
you cant really fake it without knowing it
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Luminesce: But if you're getting tired from just in-mind activity, switching would wreck you lol (edited)
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the alt account in question 7/9/2023 5:55 PM
yeah i was thinking the same thing
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/9/2023 5:55 PM
agreed
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the alt account in question 7/9/2023 5:56 PM
shed have to take over the main train of thought, and she struggles to do anything like that
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That is what switching is generally about, yes.
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 7/9/2023 5:56 PM
yeah what i said is probably better left for when you dont get tired and know each other pretty well
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the alt account in question 7/9/2023 5:57 PM
some of the most fluent responses ive gotten from her were her saying basically that she doesnt feel like practicing whatever i was suggesting at the time
5:57 PM
i guess she inherited my adhd big time lol
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae
more like vegetative state
That's so me
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Lmao __ has no name
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ ↩️
Reply to: names are overrated
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wow! this whole time i thought you were censoring their name for their privacy
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Khaos
Lmao __ has no name
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/11/2023 7:31 PM
who has no name?
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__, they just said
7:37 PM
duh
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/11/2023 9:33 PM
If you are using a symbol as a way to address someone, then those symbols are the name (edited)
9:33 PM
sorry folks
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Not a name because people can say nameless or otherwise. You don't call someone who is nameless like based off their features and be as that is their name..
6:24 AM
He's still getting a name but I'm pointing this out... Identifiers aren't names... That includes symbols to identify this person exists or is here.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/12/2023 8:46 AM
even if you call someone “nameless” then that becomes their name it’s fine, nothing wrong with that
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Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 7/12/2023 8:54 AM
My name was originally just a title, to differentiate me from my other parts, but i took it on as my name once I fully split from them.
8:55 AM
Either way, once i started getting called "Iota" rather than my original name, it became my name, or at least a secondary one
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More or less it's like a nickname in terms of a differentiation But he has a name he has been somewhat working on Not a full name He might share his name but dangerous ppl
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ ↩️
Reply to: even if you call someone “nameless” then that becomes their name it’s fine, nothing wrong with that 📎
9:15 AM
And not to have his name soiled by lies
9:16 AM
it's temporary lmao
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ ↩️
Reply to: even if you call someone “nameless” then that becomes their name it’s fine, nothing wrong with that 📎
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This question has no relation to my ambitions or future activities
12:30 AM
So, lie detectors
12:31 AM
If someone in a system commits a crime, and then switches to another in the system, and the other was the one receiving questioning
12:31 AM
would the lie detector detect anything?
12:31 AM
Because the one being questioned did not commit the crime
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Lie detectors are ascientific bullshit that don't work at all, but if you did have one that worked, I doubt it'd detect that as a lie
12:33 AM
"The belief underpinning the use of the polygraph is that deceptive answers will produce physiological responses that can be differentiated from those associated with non-deceptive answers; however, there are no specific physiological reactions associated with lying, making it difficult to identify factors that separate those who are lying from those who are telling the truth." first paragraph on wikipedia, not sure if this is common knowledge or not
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I don’t actually know much about lie detectors
12:33 AM
I just thought the question was interesting
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But playing in the scenario, assuming that lie detectors worked, I think the fronter being questioned would pass the test
12:34 AM
Because they're not lying, they didn't commit the crime; they may have been complicit in it, depending on the circumstances, but they did not actively make the body do the crime
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Yeah that’s what I was thinking
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Sploda
I don’t actually know much about lie detectors
No worries, I just like to share that info when it comes up--they are often depicted as flawless in media, so I like to share that little tidbit to help counteract the common assumption
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Sploda
If someone in a system commits a crime, and then switches to another in the system, and the other was the one receiving questioning
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/13/2023 7:54 AM
as blank said it would be about what you believe not what you did But don’t fool yourself: you take full responsibility for what your headmates do. System responsibility (edited)
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i'm still early on in my process, what are some ideas about things to narrate/ask my headmate when i've completely run out of ideas to talk about
3:42 PM
i've brought up everything from "what should we have for dinner" to "what do you think death and the afterlife is like"
3:43 PM
and i'm reading to her before bed but it still doesn't quite feel like enough
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watching/playing/reading movies/video games/books is a good source of stuff to talk about
3:44 PM
especially ones with slower paces, so you can really dig into topics while the game is in a lull
3:44 PM
I do that a lot with Blanka; as an example, we went and saw Moana together in theaters and we talked about it during and after
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kaybee
i'm still early on in my process, what are some ideas about things to narrate/ask my headmate when i've completely run out of ideas to talk about
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/16/2023 10:04 AM
the same thing you do when you are bored or run out of topics in real relationships (edited)
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
the same thing you do when you are bored or run out of topics in real relationships (edited)
i'm used to just zoning out on video games or merely lounging around when i'm with my gf more often than not these days, but neither of those sound like conductive forcing techniques
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oh, and i guess i can addendum that i'd like to try and force more at work when i'm alone, but considering i'm a meat clerk in a supermarket, i can't really watch videos or read or game on the clock. and my natural proclivity then is to just browse my phone, but that's not conductive to good forcing either. there's only so many times i feel i can ask what we should eat for lunch/dinner...
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We personally just chat about our goals in life
5:41 PM
That's just something we talk about a lot
5:41 PM
Or what were going to do once we get home from our classes
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i'm used to just zoning out on video games or merely lounging around when i'm with my gf more often than not these days, but nei...
@kaybee - jump when you are stuck with one person for too long you run out of topics to talk about and things to do what helps with refreshing it is for both people to spend some time with other people
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لمعرفة. 7/17/2023 7:50 PM
If you can’t actively or passively force, what can you even do at that point?
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Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 7/17/2023 7:51 PM
I mean, why shouldn't you be able to do at least one of them?
7:51 PM
You can literally just talk to them, which isn't that hard, it counts as forcing.
7:52 PM
As long as you're interacting with them (or trying to), then it's forcing. It's a fundamental for tulpamancy.
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لمعرفة. 7/17/2023 7:54 PM
I did try. I suppose though all of this really is my fault. When it comes to narration and practice, there were times I did it all day. But now, unfortunately, I’m at the end of my rope when it comes to mental health. I guess though, that it doesn’t really matter, and that all of this is just something I should figure out.
7:54 PM
But anyway, thank you for the answer. Doubt there’s anything else to say about that.
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Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 7/17/2023 7:55 PM
You don't need to narrate all day if it's stressful, you don't even need to narrate for an hour straight.
7:55 PM
Just keep it mostly consistent with the intent to interact with your tulpa, and there probably shouldn't be any major issues.
7:56 PM
There's no deadline with tulpamancy; you don't need to put in a certain amount of hours a week for it to "work"
7:56 PM
If that helps.
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even a few minutes is better than nothing, for sure
8:45 PM
if you can't set aside time in the day to talk to them, you can try to read to them at night before bed, or even just keep them in mind while you do your business
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consistency >>> intensity
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/17/2023 9:17 PM
consintensity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>consistency>intensity
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🤔 good point @KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk I've revised my priors
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Momo Utkin 🍄 BOT 7/18/2023 6:40 AM
is it normal to get like cluster headaches over the span of a couple weeks and then have a new headmate appear when the headache is agonizing? cuz that just happened to me.
6:41 AM
just wondering if its at all possible for this to be tulpa shit cuz it sure as hell doesnt sound like it
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Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 7/18/2023 6:44 AM
I've heard of people getting headaches when splitting headmates, so it's posssible, yeah.
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Momo Utkin 🍄 BOT 7/18/2023 7:01 AM
huh. well i guess ill just figure this out
7:01 AM
wonder why she appeared
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wtf she just said "i like cleaning" did she fucking appear because we were stressed about our room being a mess
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Luminesce: Accepting walk-ins... (edited)
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Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗
I've heard of people getting headaches when splitting headmates, so it's posssible, yeah.
Luminesce: And, I haven't heard of this (edited)
7:15 AM
Only heard of headaches/head pressures when new to tulpamancy, but never heard of them re-occurring later on (unless after a break or something)
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Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 7/18/2023 7:15 AM
I stopped saying anything since I don't want to influence you one way or another.
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Even when making a new tulpa
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Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 7/18/2023 7:15 AM
I hear abotu splitting headaches with disordered systems, generally not with tulpamancy systems.
7:15 AM
Do with that what you will, I'm going to bed
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Luminesce: Huh, well I can't say I have much experience with disorderly plurality experience specifically (edited)
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Momo Utkin 🍄 BOT 7/18/2023 7:18 AM
listen i have such a bad fucking headache i do not need this right now /nm
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Luminesce ↩️
Reply to: Accepting walk-ins...
7:19 AM
this bitch showed up fully formed? and gave us a headache somehow. for weeks.
7:22 AM
with all thats going on i am less and less inclined to believe that this is tulpa shit anyways but if you all want to insist on that ì guess thats fine frankly i dont care one way or another but i do not want to hear shit about "walk-ins" when weve had three now appear for no good goddamn reason and no difference is made whether we 'accept' them or not
7:24 AM
if this is one of those self inflicted problems where kei fucked everything up well fuck me i guess!
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Tulpas do not just appear fully formed
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Momo Utkin 🍄 BOT 7/18/2023 7:25 AM
yeah thats what i thought. and we appeared fully formed all four times sooo
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You either have some thing else going on or your really bad at recognizing walk ins and accepting them
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Momo Utkin 🍄 BOT 7/18/2023 7:28 AM
considering the amount of
  • involuntary switches
  • bloody. cluster headaches and migraines
  • dissociation and blurriness
  • involuntary "walk-ins"/"splits"/whatever the fuck you want to call it
  • memory problems
i dont think this is within the realm of tulpamancy atp. ik kitkat will just tell me im wrong but im tired of this, its really affecting us and it has been for years whether you want to hear it or not
7:29 AM
i cant sleep or think because of this headache too and like? i dont think an agonizing headache followed by a "walk-in" is typical of this shit
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Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 7/18/2023 7:30 AM
Then I recommend talking to a dissociation specialist. Tulpamancers will only really speak from a tulpamancy perspective.
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